GM: Oh yeah, you know, the last issue of The Invisibles is actually written as a comic from 2012, and it's supposed to be, it's written for kids who are now about nine or so, who are actually part of the next sunspot cycle, the ones that are going to be taking us into 2012, and they'll be like hippies, or their version of whatever hippie is. That current'll be back in again, and I wrote that issue for them because they'll completely understand it, but their bigger brothers might not completely understand it. The stuff in the last issue, there's a lot of ideas that I'm pursuing through all the new work and it's really about what we can actually do to change things. Personality is at its limit, personality as in the individual self belonged to the seventeenth century, it's a thing that rational culture made. The Enlightenment developed the individual self as part of its particular agenda, and it had to because we'd just been differentiated from the mythic cultures that went before scientific enlightenment, and we needed that, but again it's all developmental stages, that's what I'm talking about in the last issue of The Invisibles, about recognizing what stage we're at. Everything comes in cycles, from a baby growing in the womb to the entire history of evolution, and I think civilizations go through the same developmental stages that a child growing up goes through. So you have adolescence times, you have mythic magic times; when you're a child you're completely absorbed in the world, you're undefined, you're a part of the world until you suddenly split off, and it's the same way with cultures; you had agriculture, where people worked, where they were part of their environment, and then suddenly what they do is they put a king up, they look to another person to give them law, and that's the opposite . . . obviously, kids do the same thing, they look up at their parents and then they question their parents, and then they become parents, and culture has to go through the same thing. And Western culture's just at the point where it has to grow up, it's the feeling of adolescence, and that's that boiling feeling, it's adolescence, that's why everything's going crazy, it's the culture's hormones rushing. We're growing up, I think it's great, and I just want to think about what it's like to be growing up, and what does growing up mean. And I think in place of the individual self, which we've been offered since the Enlightenment, I'm offering multiple selves. The individual self breaks at the edges, it causes boundaries. If you're a "self," like I said in The Invisibles, self means not-self, self implies not-self. So instantly you've got a boundary there. Something that you are not, and either you treat that as an adversary, or you want to have sex with it, but it's still the Other all the time. And what I'm talking about is instead of having the Other, why don't we just upgrade our own personalities to take on the other person? I want to know what that person feels like, I want to upgrade my personality so that know what it feels like to be that person, and let that perspective in to deal with the proper problem. Some people need to be angry, so let Mr. Angry come in, and he does the job, that's what he's there for. But he's not there for when you want to make love to someone, so then you got to recruit Mr. Lover. [laughs] And there's other ones, there's Mr. Lazy . . . And actually just letting them be their things, knowing that you can add another Mr. Somebody, knowing you can be Mr. Martial Arts or whatever, you can be Mr. Mudra if you feel like it, you can be all these things, but the whole thing is understanding that personality is not a discrete thing, and to stop thinking of it as a thing with boundaries that other people bump off of. So I think these ideas will become more defined and refined and people will become aware of them. I think multiple personality sufferers, as I said in the book, they're the purest forerunners of what we're all going to become. We'll become something like an operating system.

JL: A lot of The Invisibles, you were talking about theories of culture, of cultural progression, Terence McKenna's ideas, the sunspot cycle idea, the Thelemic Aeons; and it seems like even though The Invisibles was addressed to the idea of free will, by the end of The Invisibles you almost refute the idea of free will. You say, well, the culture, or the way the world is progressing as a mass entity, you're insignificant compared to that. It seems like the ultimate message by the end, or one of the messages, is just to sit back and watch the show.